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	<title>Comments on: Rudy Carpenter’s Legacy: More Plummer or More Kealy?</title>
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		<title>By: Reassessing Rudy Carpenter: More Jake Plummer or More Ryan Kealy? - by Echo from the Buttes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reassessing Rudy Carpenter: More Jake Plummer or More Ryan Kealy? - by Echo from the Buttes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back in August we asked Sun Devil fans if Rudy Carpenter would be remembered more like Jake Plummer or Ryan Kealy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.echofromthebuttes.com/2008/08/22/rudy-carpenter-legacy-more-plummer-or-more-kealy/comment-page-1/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudy?   A joke, reminds me a large tortis ambling in my back yard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudy?   A joke, reminds me a large tortis ambling in my back yard.</p>
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		<title>By: 3 ASU Football Things: Turnovers, Rudy Carpenter and Bowl Dreaming - by Echo from the Buttes</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 ASU Football Things: Turnovers, Rudy Carpenter and Bowl Dreaming - by Echo from the Buttes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first out of the Tillman Tunnel on senior night and his reception was surprisingly warm considering fans’ mixed feelings to him. (Just vote in the survey on the right to see what we mean.) Carpenter responded to the reception [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first out of the Tillman Tunnel on senior night and his reception was surprisingly warm considering fans’ mixed feelings to him. (Just vote in the survey on the right to see what we mean.) Carpenter responded to the reception [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia at Arizona State: An ASU State of Mind &#124; SECRivals.com</title>
		<link>http://www.echofromthebuttes.com/2008/08/22/rudy-carpenter-legacy-more-plummer-or-more-kealy/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia at Arizona State: An ASU State of Mind &#124; SECRivals.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fortunately, the Sun Devils have a few things going for them. One is quarterback Rudy Carpenter, a highly divisive figure who many blame for driving away Sam Keller and who many won’t forgive for sporting a pink T-shirt at a basketball game during the offseason.  However, it’s hard to argue with his numbers.  He’s closing in on every one of ASU’s career passing records, he’s thrice beaten rival Arizona, and three times guided ASU in a bowl game.  If ASU wins 10 games this season, Carpenter will have more wins than any quarterback in school history. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fortunately, the Sun Devils have a few things going for them. One is quarterback Rudy Carpenter, a highly divisive figure who many blame for driving away Sam Keller and who many won’t forgive for sporting a pink T-shirt at a basketball game during the offseason.  However, it’s hard to argue with his numbers.  He’s closing in on every one of ASU’s career passing records, he’s thrice beaten rival Arizona, and three times guided ASU in a bowl game.  If ASU wins 10 games this season, Carpenter will have more wins than any quarterback in school history. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudy Carpenter is a good - not great - quarterback. He has always had offensive weapons at his disposal, and although Dirk Koetter had a lot of faults, he was still a very, very good offensive coach. 

With Sam Keller, the ceiling seemed higher. If not for boneheaded special teams play and a miracle pass from JaMarcus Russell to Early Doucet, the Sun Devils would have beaten LSU in 2005. Keller threw five interceptions against USC, but psyched his teammates up so much the week before that they held a 21-3 lead at halftime against Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, LenDale White and Co. That ASU team thought they could hang with USC. No team since has had that belief. 

I don&#039;t care about Keller&#039;s numbers after that game and how ASU fared with him under center: the team quit. They thought they were BCS-caliber, and two losses early meant they weren&#039;t going to the Rose Bowl. So they quit.

Carpenter came in and roasted some inferior defenses, but Keller was the better quarterback that season.

Is it fair to say Keller is better than Carpenter after what we&#039;ve seen since? No. Is Rudy Carpenter one of the best quarterbacks in Arizona State history? No again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudy Carpenter is a good &#8211; not great &#8211; quarterback. He has always had offensive weapons at his disposal, and although Dirk Koetter had a lot of faults, he was still a very, very good offensive coach. </p>
<p>With Sam Keller, the ceiling seemed higher. If not for boneheaded special teams play and a miracle pass from JaMarcus Russell to Early Doucet, the Sun Devils would have beaten LSU in 2005. Keller threw five interceptions against USC, but psyched his teammates up so much the week before that they held a 21-3 lead at halftime against Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, LenDale White and Co. That ASU team thought they could hang with USC. No team since has had that belief. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about Keller&#8217;s numbers after that game and how ASU fared with him under center: the team quit. They thought they were BCS-caliber, and two losses early meant they weren&#8217;t going to the Rose Bowl. So they quit.</p>
<p>Carpenter came in and roasted some inferior defenses, but Keller was the better quarterback that season.</p>
<p>Is it fair to say Keller is better than Carpenter after what we&#8217;ve seen since? No. Is Rudy Carpenter one of the best quarterbacks in Arizona State history? No again.</p>
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		<title>By: the freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughts on Rudy:
-- I don’t care about the records. Sure, they’re nice. But I remember Jake because of the marquee games. I don’t remember all of Michael Jordan because of all his MVPs and scoring titles --- I remember him hitting the title-clinching shot over Bryon Russell when he had the flu. If Rudy beats Georgia, that’s what we’ll all remember.
-- I don’t buy the “Rudy bleeds maroon and gold” argument. I think he’d be just as “loyal” anywhere else. The varying reports I heard on his threat to transfer two years ago --- who initiated it, whether it was legit, etc. --- led me to believe that had he transferred to School X, he’d probably also be at School X’s baseball and basketball games. He’s a sports fan --- an emotional sports fan, just like he’s an emotional player.
--  I love his competitiveness, his fire, his ability to stay on the field even when hurt, and he is at least as good as anyone on the Chicago Bears’ roster right now.
-- The most divisive ASU athletes, in order: 1. Barry Bonds. 2. Everyone Else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts on Rudy:<br />
&#8211; I don’t care about the records. Sure, they’re nice. But I remember Jake because of the marquee games. I don’t remember all of Michael Jordan because of all his MVPs and scoring titles &#8212; I remember him hitting the title-clinching shot over Bryon Russell when he had the flu. If Rudy beats Georgia, that’s what we’ll all remember.<br />
&#8211; I don’t buy the “Rudy bleeds maroon and gold” argument. I think he’d be just as “loyal” anywhere else. The varying reports I heard on his threat to transfer two years ago &#8212; who initiated it, whether it was legit, etc. &#8212; led me to believe that had he transferred to School X, he’d probably also be at School X’s baseball and basketball games. He’s a sports fan &#8212; an emotional sports fan, just like he’s an emotional player.<br />
&#8211;  I love his competitiveness, his fire, his ability to stay on the field even when hurt, and he is at least as good as anyone on the Chicago Bears’ roster right now.<br />
&#8211; The most divisive ASU athletes, in order: 1. Barry Bonds. 2. Everyone Else.</p>
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		<title>By: Fordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I agree with the generational thing you suggest Matt.  I&#039;m definitely not of a more recent generation, being in my late forties.  But I can tell you that I absolutely love Rudy.

Anyone who wears his love for THE Arizona State University as much as Rudy does is alright by me.  As a paratrooper myself I hold in high esteem anyone who takes a lick like Rudy and gets back up to battle.  He&#039;s a warrior in the world of sports unlike most others that we&#039;ve seen.

Is Rudy perfect? No. But damn, he&#039;s one of the best in college football today.

Here&#039;s hoping Rudy lights up NAU early and hard.  Then we can see what our QB for next year is looking like.

GO DEVILS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree with the generational thing you suggest Matt.  I&#8217;m definitely not of a more recent generation, being in my late forties.  But I can tell you that I absolutely love Rudy.</p>
<p>Anyone who wears his love for THE Arizona State University as much as Rudy does is alright by me.  As a paratrooper myself I hold in high esteem anyone who takes a lick like Rudy and gets back up to battle.  He&#8217;s a warrior in the world of sports unlike most others that we&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>Is Rudy perfect? No. But damn, he&#8217;s one of the best in college football today.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping Rudy lights up NAU early and hard.  Then we can see what our QB for next year is looking like.</p>
<p>GO DEVILS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much of the divide is generational. 

Younger people seem to not mind Rudy&#039;s antics as much because like different strokes for different folks. He&#039;s just being himself even though it rubs some people the wrong way. Kind of a Manny being Manny thing. 

But then people a little older seem to definitely be rubbed wrong. Like why isn&#039;t Rudy going about his business with a tad more professionalism. 

I don&#039;t know. What do ya&#039;ll think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much of the divide is generational. </p>
<p>Younger people seem to not mind Rudy&#8217;s antics as much because like different strokes for different folks. He&#8217;s just being himself even though it rubs some people the wrong way. Kind of a Manny being Manny thing. </p>
<p>But then people a little older seem to definitely be rubbed wrong. Like why isn&#8217;t Rudy going about his business with a tad more professionalism. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. What do ya&#8217;ll think?</p>
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